Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. Anything different there? Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. Past Life Indicators in Synastry and Karmic Relationships - Astrology When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. I will look into it. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. Our physical connection was addicting. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? Thank you for your insight. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. North Node conjuncts Desc. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. What should i do? Chiron In 12th House, Chiron In Twelfth House Meaning, Chiron In 12th I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. What do You think about Davison Chart? Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Composite Chart: Moon and Chiron in the Seventh House - Lindaland Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. Difficult to ground your energy. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? Whitelotus. And I learned a lot too. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. While this is tricky to do, it takes a bit of analysis and creativity. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. Is this why I am feeling this more? this is honestly so beautiful to read. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Because thats what it feels like! this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. Useful Chiron in 12th House Crystals Jasper Malachite Professional Readings 2023 Yearly 30 Minute Astrology Report Recent Articles Ceres Aspects Lilith Aspects Juno in Houses Ceres in Houses Lilith in Houses Astrological Events New Moon in Taurus Increasing pleasures May 19 2023 Jupiter in Taurus Productive Growth The 8th House: A Good Death? - Chirotic Journal In composite we have north node in 12th. Such a great article! Dawn, thank you for writing this article. The goal is to look at both your Chiron in the signs and Chiron in the houses together. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. You have nailed my experience. We are fated, but we are meant to part. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. We both have natal moon in house 12. Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. I think this is SO true . Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. They represent different aspects of a relationship. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. It symbolizes pealing back the layers to reveal the authentic self underneath. Everywords pounding in me. Chiron in the 12th house is the last position. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. We find with the Clinton composite chart (see chart at the top of the next page) that the planet Chiron conjunct Venus in the 3rd house, which semi-sextiles . Thank you, Tricia. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. ? But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. VERY-VERY SORRY! I use both in my practice. What is your thought on this. Chiron in composite? | Astrologers' Community with "openings" into new interests and abilities that can be. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. This is brilliant and compassionate. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. Thanks. Thanks for taking the time to respond. You dont want houses 6/8/12 in a composite for a reason= yes its really not good but the other reason this isn't good is because you have The Sun, Moon and Venus squaring neptune (AND neptune in the 12th house) so there is a VERY high level of delusion like "THIS IS MY SOULMATE" when in fact its your worst enemy who will betray/cheat/manipulate (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) hi dawn. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! The ego thing is very true. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. They often feel out of place and misunderstood. P.S. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. What do you think? If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. How bad is that 12th house for a composite chart? The individuals involved may feel stronger as a couple than they do on their own. Chiron in the Composite Chart - The Dark Pixie Astrology We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th house cusps). i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. We were happy plutonicay together. This can make them appear easily influenced by others, which could lead them to not knowing what direction they should take with their lives. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. The doctors were able to revive her, but she suffered irreparable brain damage as a result. Composite Jupiter in the 12th House With Composite Jupiter in the 12th house, you can find that subconscious issues and motivations, baggage and karma seem to be easier in this pairing, and they don't cause as many issues as they normally do. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. Well it is a living hell right now! As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. Gemini is a dual sign, so I have a problem committing and getting others to commit. A very painful and challenging connection. When we split up I cried every day for a month. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. When someone's Chiron is in the 12th house of their (potential) partner, it represents a relationship in which one person will teach another to embrace mortality and enjoy life while it lasts. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Lots of greetings from Serbia. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Im so confused by this mix! One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. Thank You so much for Your answer! I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Another spin given to the 12th house . My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. So beautifully written Dawn. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! Chiron in 12th House - Free Sidereal Astrology I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Thank you very much Dawn. My english is not very good. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). I feel sad about that. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Doing stuff without thinking clearly. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Our composite sun is in the 7 house. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. It also works the other way. Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. The composite Sun in the first suggests the couple has come together for strength. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Hi Dawn. It doesnt matter. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. Aghh! But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. Please your opinion. Its weird weird weird . As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. The various areas of your life where there might be certain effects cannot be pinpointed as this stage is a little bit vague. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Thanks! We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. I dont know whether this situation is karma? taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. RUN ? Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. Composites are entirely hypothetical, but can provide key understanding to some relationship dynamics. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. !Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. Therefore difficult aspects to composite Chiron need to be noted. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. You will both be changed deeply by it. The Autumn Schedule is Here! My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. Regine. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing.

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