I point people to natives and to the NEWFS to purchase natives. It's rhetorical. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. Negative: On Jun 26, 2014, . The facts that it benefits them do not prove a point and are not intended to prove anything about Monsanto's commercial practices or the safety of GMOs. They were certainly optional for anyone that had a desire to read them. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. 1% retail connection and then made to look as "owned by"? ], To clarify - I believe there are still many people who are unaware of GMOs and what they are, so whenever that subject comes up, it makes people at least aware of it. This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. The people who are against Monsanto aren't doing their cause any favors by spreading misinformation and the few articles I have read about the issue have been written by people who clearly have an agenda that isn't informing the public, but it to rally people to their cause by any means necessary. 5 Non-GMO Seed Companies to Plant in Your Monsanto-Free Garden Why buy from a company that you can't trust? This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. Hi Molanic - Yes, I'm glad they are not truncating long posts any more. Continually defending and explaining myself. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher.]]]. In fact, I was agreeing with you, after you had already said that. They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. Again, I am worried that the consolidation will cause the loss of many varieties, and I think the original post calling for a boycott will only accelerate that since the home garden market is negligible. Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. Gardner & Company[2] (also known as Gardner, Ferry, and Church) in Detroit, Michigan. Get fresh organic and heirloom vegetable, herb and flower seeds. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers Mountain Valley . Everyone on the thread was made aware that it was inaccurate, everyone agreed that it was and that we are on our own as far as learning which seed companies are owned by Monsanto and which are not. I share my experiences about organic growing. And are you then saying that because the story about India was not completely accurate, that means that there is nothing to fear? In hindsight, I should not have taken the time to do so, I was rushing. And I prefer US grown produce always. [And you did not directly quote me before disagreeing with what I said in that instance. Negative: tablerocktina (4 reviews) On Aug 6, 2012, tablerocktina Fountain Inn, SC (Zone 8a) wrote: . Ed and I briefly went back and forth about the original article and I made a simple comment that I was always glad when GMO was brought to the attention of the public for the benefit of those who are unaware of it, which I've already apologized for not making clear enough. That's okay Ed. And for the sake of argument, lets say that Monsanto is not now selling GMO seed to home gardeners. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. prarie, I'll summarize what I found disagreeable (it was your post, quoted below) and hopefully the recap will serve as the explanation you ask for: 1. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. And your end of the conversation is without flaws? A marketer and a preacher are two even handed words in my vocabulary. 0000535956 00000 n Ferry Morse Seed Company is one of America's oldest and most trusted garden seed companies. Nearly 70 percent of gardeners said they buy most of their seeds from mail-order vegetable seed companies. Burpee and Petoseed together dominated vegetable breeding for the home garden consumer during the 60s. 5.0 out of 5 stars . With one fell swoop in 2005, Monsanto grabbed approximately 40% of the US vegetable seed market with its acquisition of Seminis. Asgrow - Wikipedia And this is just one example of you analyzing my contributions to the discussion. Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? Im actually against biotech entirely. Is Ferry Morse owned by Monsanto? And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? Do you think the "Natural" or "Original" Species of plants ( and maybe other organisms too ) will go extinct because of the GMOs overpopulating the Whole World? Are Ferry Morse seeds any good? - Camomienoteca.com And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? We offer a large selection of home gardening vegetables seeds with high yields. Would never use a lawn service and have explained the problems of them to my neighbor who did and doesn't any more. Disclaimer: I worked for a seed company that was being purchased by Monsanto, in a GMO-free operation. I stick to the few seed companies, who I think take avoiding their seed pretty seriously. First, you have fused two subjects together based on the fact that one uses the technology. We feel a deep sense of pride and responsibility to carry on the tradition of these brands by delivering high quality products including OMRI listed Organic plant food and 100% Non-GMO seeds. We take pride in helping families across the country enjoy gardening and the fresh foods and flowers the garden produces. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. This kind of statement makes the conversation now about me and keeps diverting the conversation away from the topic and adds lengthy discussion back and forth about me. So hopefully the home garden varieties can hang on until they find a nicer home. Im not an expert on Monsanto. --, That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. 0000001737 00000 n D.M. Ferry Seed Company - Nursery and Seed Catalogs - Research Guides Ferry Morse Home Gardening Since 1856 | About Us McKenzie Seeds is a seed packaging company founded in Brandon, Manitoba in 1896. Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it. Although, how do you easily find out who owns these companies? Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. It then gets called a documentary. And I don't feel any need to defend my complete dislike of Monsanto and what they are about. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. I did not misquote you. 0000022414 00000 n In my opinion, it should not even be legal to do that. Do you have 12 months to wait for it? A movie (or someone else) comes up with some terrible conspiracy theory sort of plot. If you feel I have offended you in some way and you want to respond, then I will continue until you feel satisfied. I'm sure that what I've had to say will not be satisfactory to you. Check. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. About Ferry Morse Seeds - GardenersNet.Com Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. So you claim there is no reason to avoid any seed company. Monsanto does not offer genetically modified vegetable seeds for the home garden market. But, to be honest, that is an effect more of the monolithic style of farming that has been the standard in this country since the end of the Second World War rather than a direct result of growing genetically engineered plants. I'm trying to avoid their products too. Do you realize that many people already are avoiding all soy and corn because of the difficulty now of finding non GMO soy and corn? I don't see much else other than getting frustrated. And what did you mean by 'carefully'? 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. I buy seeds from organizations I have some reason to trust and who are functioning in a way I appreciate. How did you come to this conclusion? And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. How about if the potential outcome is something to really be afraid of, that doesn't matter? Now look how long the post got, but no matter, you have honest reply to at least everything here. [7], Meanwhile, in 1874, R. W. Wilson began a seed-producing company based in Santa Clara, California. My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. Ferry & Co.[2], The business grew steadily and, in 1879, was incorporated under the name D.M. After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business. No. You have peppered your comments with plenty of complaints and labels of what I have had to say. Soon many more garden seed companies bought from not only Burpee but also from Petoseed, companies as diverse as Ferry-Morse, Park's, Gurney's, Johnny's, Northrup King and Comstock-Ferre. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. If they discontinue their variety they know me and thousands of others will kick their butt. Ferry-Morse. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. Again, I gave you alternate suggestions of how to hit Monsanto's bottom line so much harder, that included not purchasing Round-Up, not purchasing Miracle Gro products, and not purchasing the commercial Zima tomato product, which I thought would make you happy since it is conventional Monsanto seeds and the growers conned Monsanto into giving them an exclusive, which prevents all home gardeners from getting this conventional seed, even though it is super delish and was developed conventional before Monsanto bought them out. Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. [10], In 1981, Ferry-Morse became part of France's Groupe Limagrain, the largest seed producer in the world. I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. List of Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto - Houzz But I am not making a blanket statement. Anyway, let me try again.without going back to reread the thread again. And against it being sold to home gardeners or to commercial farmers. As a Floridian, I am concerned that conventional breeding of oranges will not save the Florida orange industry from Citrus Greening disease in time (or at all) and "a day without Florida orange juice for me is like a day without sunshine". Both a little assertive. When you infer (incorrectly) I could be labeling you, you miss the foundation of my point, which is that anti-Monsanto preachers and Monsanto marketers are a false dichotomy (a.k.a., an exclusion of the middle) and my context is that I will not succumb to either rhetorical extreme (faith-based or money-based). The movie, etc., claimes a quarter of a million people have killed themselves because of GMOs. Yes, you read that right. I do not think Better Boy or the entire home garden seed market makes any difference to Monsanto. I think you ought to be looking at yourself here as well, and accept your share of the responsibility for the way in which you have extended this conversation and turned most of the discussion into a discussion of me. And more detailed explanations about what you meant and what you think. I dont see why gardeners cant support small companies who are not trying to compete with high tech seed companies. hb`````pd&03EY8zT'00a@,d/Dy ) d|HXDh+3&0%18?`aeT,&1gh)smi`8pIni`!ah k\w'@w06` Y0:tcr4#0 3: endstream endobj 575 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[28 494]/Length 39/Size 522/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream ~ Do I understand you to mean that if a product is GMO based, you will evaluate it at that point? You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. They shipped them the next day and I got them three days from when I ordered them. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. I put your complete, and in context quote in your original words above my reply. This discussion proves that Houzz is no longer truncating long posts! Model # 629313.1220.199.9085. So, perhaps you can now see, how we are a very poor fit to have a conversation? We grow our lawn without fertilizer and use clover and leave selective weeds in the lawn. 250 Milli-Gram Eggplant Black Beauty Vegetable (Seed Packet) Model # 466437.199.906735. 3. seedsNOW Kellogg. [5] Morse built the company up, and in 1884 bought out Kellogg and incorporated as C.C. No real surprise there. Not all seeds are heirloom seeds. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? Go back and look at the first three comments made in 2015. Great prices. That is an analysis of my part of the conversation and intentions and a label that youve added to describe your interpretation of it. You continue to reduce the reasoning behind avoiding Monsanto owned seed companies and any other GMO seed companies to your own limited scope, that because all seed sold to home gardeners are now non GMO you don't have to avoid them. The release will only happen if it passes the regulatory hurdles and more importantly works. You detail your beliefs, and I respect everyone's beliefs , especially yours, whether your beliefs are religiously-based, socially-based, or logically-based. Not all information regarding Monsanto and GMO's is good or even close to good. Also the list is also, "or sells small percentages of seed from them.". The most cited scientific journal on the planet takes the space to publish peer review a 270,000 figure and debunks it as a myth which is false and shows absolutely no correlation. I agree that we are all too far removed from the reality of what is going on with our food supply, but I also believe that most people expect the government agencies to be protecting us from risks and dangers to the food supply, which would include GMO seeds and foods. . But as far as GMO's, the grubby greedy hands of corporate America will never allow a GMO trait to be given to home gardening in the current legal conditions, since they would then lose all their investment in the GMO patent which is their golden-egg laying money goose. It is not a reliable reference as it was debunked by the peer-reviewed study in the Nature link. After the ovule has ripened, seeds are the product. That is disrespectful. I try to learn how to make a habitat for pollinators. That is because so much mistrust that has been sown by both sides. Saying such a tragic thing is like Chicken Little saying the Sky is Falling, as if it were on equal grounds with the gravity of the rest of this. I have answered your post this time by copying the body of it and putting yours in italics in its entirety so I would not miss anyting and responded to each and every point. That is the best way to find out who owns a company. I'll have to look for them, to see if I can't expand the seed companies I do business with. I am not here to play games with words or be tripped up or trip anyone up. Initially, I did not respond to this because although you framed it in an appeal to dire consequences, you carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact-checking to others. In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? It goes against my core beliefs. Now we meander into the never-ending GMO debate when and you give me about 7 points with links they you don't have time to review for quality, which have nothing to do with the boycott I objected to. [g] With all the healthy social skills you can muster. Again, You can buy from any company you want and you will never get any GMO seeds from Monsanto or anyone else. Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. And to report something that is fearful, is 'using fear as a weapon'? [8] By 1930, Ferry was growing most of its seed in California, and the two firms had complementary businesses. What is it that you feel I am bullying you into doing? All corporations have to be registered with the AG of their state, with the names of the owners and primaries. I recently purchased a pack of Ferry Morse Sow Easy Strawberry Alpine seeds (125 seeds) from Lowes for $2.49 and planted them, using a heated mat for faster germination. This is all I need to know.>>> OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL PERCENTAGES OF SEEDS FROM THEM. However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. That's about it. Similar to our situation with the food supply, dependence on the government is only a service to the government, never the governed. Yours is a textbook statement of the fallacious logical argument of appeal to fear / argument from adverse consequences. Ferry-Morse. I would like to see the world get away from this kind of development. And I'm not sure about Ecowatch, but supposedly that is a reliable website with news about the environment. For example they were where the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published (link). I carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact checking to others? You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. What you have said here, is that people should not be avoiding Monsanto seed companies and you actually are indicating that you think that anyone who is avoiding Monsanto seed companies is either without logic, or has been manipulated or bullied and is afraid of something that they should not be afraid of. [8] In 1959, the headquarters of the business moved to western Kentucky. Many of our brands were founded in the mid-1800's and have been trusted by generations. 0000015871 00000 n Ferry-Morse. If there are other companies that I should be concerned about, I'd like to know that too and respond the same way to their products. They are a Coop and have taken a strong position on this subject. Which seed companies are owned by Monsanto? - IronSet As should every living person on the earth. In 2005 . Any questions I've asked were rhetorical and require no response. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds And you thought these suggestions would make me happy? One thing is for sure. What can I personally do about it? $1.44. Is Ferry Morse Seeds owned by Monsanto? You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. I'm going through them all :-). All American Seeds are 100% Non-GMO. We are both very detail minded, wanting precise meaning of words used, not enjoying being misunderstood triggering lengthy explanations. I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around.

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