Jealousy was the motive. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Hair we go. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. The Facts Case Type: Crime Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Puny policy. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Its barely visible in the picture. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Walmart woe. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Great communicator. Probably by the jeans and the boots. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Having read that and your most recent comment above, its clearly obvious youre a person of high educational standing and legal knowledge, which I fully respect. Locked up. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? The FBI even included a written report to that effect. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Nailed? This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Rorrer seems to have had relatively considerable appeals scrutiny of the convicting evidence, to no avail as yet. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Nope. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. With Joann Katrinak, Alex Katrinak, Patricia Rorrer. And Patricia did live in another state. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Its never been made clear. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Phone records dont lie.) A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. This woman was obsessed and jealous. What a contrived case! Docket at pp. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Nope. Please read her story. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. How is it that these women are paroled? Theres speculation and theres lies period. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! After . Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Meticulous primping. Youre absolutely right!! I thought the same. On December 14, 2020, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court denied Ms. Rorrer's petition for allowance of appeal, concluding her state appellate proceedings. Patricia Rorrer was convicted in 1998 of murdering a young mother named Joann Katrinak as well as her 15-week old infant son. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Stop. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Having watched and read all that has been available, I feel very strongly, that a grave error has been perpetrated by the law authorities. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Incriminating words. This Sunday, Investigation Discovery and velvety-voiced Dateline NBC correspondent Keith Morrison will revisit the double-homicide. And Patricia wasnt all edges. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. Decades-old Lehigh Valley murder case back in national spotlight - WFMZ.com Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. And she will have to answer eventually. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. More hairs there. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Episode Info. This is all BS.She did it. You seem to have a fragile ego. Clifford: I cant offer anything remotely novel or incisive. Patricia has been wrongfully convicted of murdering Joann and Alex Katrinak in 1994. all other evidence was purely circumstantial. Conflicting versions. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16. Wrong Man Season 2 Review: Joe Berlinger's Dream Team Tries Changing The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. . In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. New state, new man. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Just saying. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. LONGTIME SUSPECT CHARGED IN MURDERS\ - Greensboro News and Record Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Were I a prosecutor I would consider the aforementioned characterisation technically false and failing in probity. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. How so? She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. I expect she will admit it one day. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Omg so well put! Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. She was the one that left Andy! They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Patricia Rorrer was convicted of both deaths in the mid-90's and is serving a life sentence. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. Patty is my cousin. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Daniel and Cynthia McDonnell: Good Cop, Bad Wife. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias.

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